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June 21, 2012

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Build a Magic 2013 Intro Pack Contest: Part 2

by Dredd77

The colour pairing poll went up earlier this week, and after the requisite four days we’re back with the results! The race was tightly-fought to the very end, but when the final buzzer sounded there could be only one winner.

Here are the results of the poll, with Blue/Black narrowly beating out a late surge from Red/Green.

That’s it, we’re going with Blue/Black! With the “M13” set designed by the Goblin Artisans, this presents us with a number of intriguing themes. They are as follows, in no particular order:

Pirates!

The M13 set has a well-developed piratical subtheme, which could be expanded and explored here. Where the islands meet there marshes, there be pirates!

Bond with the Land

The Goblin Artisans set adopted bond as a basic-level mechanic, and there’s plenty of room to maneuver here. Bond is a special ability that many creatures get when another basic land type is in play (think of the classic Kird Ape as an example). This encourages multicolour play and has a lot of synergies. Harness the power of the land itself!

Dark Skies

Black and Blue decks often take to the air as their creature-based path to victory. Command the forces of the skies as you soar above your opponent’s defenses for victory!

Forget Everything

Another of the innovations in “M13” is forget, a keyword which finally replaces the more colloquial “milling.” With cards that move your opponent’s library directly into your graveyard, it will be an experience your opponent won’t want to remember!

Brain Eaters

The Brain-Eating Zombies are a card which gets stronger every time your opponent discards a card, and if the deck has its way that will be early and often. When you hit your opponent’s hand as well as their life total, nothing is safe from the ravenous undead!

In light of that, which theme would you like the deck to embrace? Remember, to be eligible for the giveaway entry for Part 2 you’ll want to be sure to leave a comment below. Let us know what theme has tickled your fancy, and why!

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  1. Jun 21 2012

    I had to go with the Pirate theme. We can do most of the other choices in Magic Proper, it’s a Pirate deck for me.

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  2. Mat
    Jun 21 2012

    Got to go pirates as well. As much as I love playing U/B control and mill, seeing a thematic tribal deck that hasn’t been explored before is too tempting.

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  3. Jun 21 2012

    3 of the themes are normal Magic decks, so I counted them out. And Bond with the Land sounded interesting. I’m not sure how the deck would be fleshed out, which adds to the wonderment of mystery surrounding the name. 🙂

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  4. Scott
    Jun 21 2012

    Pirates! I agree with the above comment that many of the themes already exist in some form. Pirates sounds interesting.

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  5. Jun 22 2012

    I’m going to have to say pirates, everything else is too generic and doesn’t add any spice to the flavor. Although I’m against pirates as I’m more of a ninja myself.

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  6. gordonchoo
    Jun 22 2012

    Actually I’m quite fond of U/B being tied to milling. With so many cards already suited to the theme (see Glimpse the Unthinkable and Mind Funeral), flavor-wise it makes perfect sense. With blue’s affinity with the mind and black’s penchant for eroding everything it touches, “forget” is the perfect theme mechanic for a U/B deck. Could even run a few copies of Rise from the Grave.

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  7. Laurent
    Jun 22 2012

    Pirates!

    1/ it’s the perfect way to put back into light those not so very played Landwalk and Landhome abilities : remember Pirate Ship? Bog Glider? The Nightstalkers? Pirates would have a host of those abilities representing both their abilities to roam the seas (Islandwalk/Home) and to bring secretely those stolen goods to the shores through some hidden pathways (Swampwalk).

    2/ If we go along those lines, the strategy would be to create lands of a chosen type under the opponent control to attack unblocked (arrrr their village seems to be undefended on this side, lads!!). There could be also an hint of control in it, either through draw (arrr look into the scrying glass, young man!), graveyard manipulation (arrrr pillaging some forgotten tombs for treasure is fun!) and even simply stealing (arrrr gimme those shiny things, you won’t need them after you’ve jumped the plank!). Even the Forget mechanism could find a place in it, since that good old Reef Pirates from Homelands is actually a Pirate creature that mill the opponent.

    3/ thematically, its just DAMN FUN!! there has always been Pirates in MtG, but not until the April’s Fool deck of Pirates vs Ninjas was there a REAL idea of creating a Pirate deck. Ninjas have been done in BoK and Planechase, now’s the time to roam the seas of the Multiverse and pillage the shores of the Planes!

    All aboard the Skeleton Ship, I say!! Land ho!!

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  8. Varo
    Jun 22 2012

    I wasn’t very sure about Pirates! theme, so i went with milling (An interesting and effective milling deck is a challenge after the merfok deck from Lorwyn), but i will be happy too if pirates gets selected!

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  9. eguye
    Jun 22 2012

    I voted for pirates as well. The theme sounds most flavourful of the options and would make for a fun deck. I suppose pirates are also rather generic, but from what I’ve seen, it’s the less explored trope in magic. The deck, at its finest, would feel like your own pirate crew that you captain around!

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  10. Diennea
    Jun 22 2012

    Brain Eaters. I think zombies are really the most well know tribe for black and blue (if you count innistrad). I just can’t see pirates in a swamp sorry 😄

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  11. Roni
    Jun 22 2012

    Pirates! Resonant and fun, even for new players with little knowledge of past magic expansions.

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  12. Jacopo Sassi
    Jun 22 2012

    I went with Pirates. Theme and fun are the most important goals of an Intro Pack, I think : a new player will be definitely attracted to a cool-looking box that basically screams “Arr, all hands on deck!”. Pirates are a flavourful and interesting tribe that has never received the proper attention from the developers and our intro pack, being U/W, will provide a wide number of playing experiences (removal, maybe a bit of countermagic, drawing/gaining control of permanents to represent pirates’ pillaging…also “land home”, which would be great from a flavourful point of view)

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  13. Ray
    Jun 22 2012

    Pirates. All. The. Way! What could be cooler than mustering a pirate crew and ships and bombarding your enemies?! Nothing.

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  14. Justin
    Jun 22 2012

    I voted for Forget Everything. Although a Pirates theme would be awesome, the ability to put your opponent’s library into your own graveyard could lead to a very interesting reanimator type deck–weakening your opponent and using his creatures against him! It could tie in with a brain-eating zombie subtheme too.

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  15. Jun 22 2012

    Pirates are a very catching theme, and blue-black offers a good quantity of creatures and removal. Pirates is my choice!

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  16. d00n
    Jun 22 2012

    Definitely pirates, since I was thinking about voting U/B earlier if there were more Pirate tribal cards.

    Looking forward to putting together some Explorer of the High Seas with either bonds or the Tidal Serpent. Also, Scourge of the Seas!

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  17. Jun 22 2012

    I voted Forget Everything. I have a soft spot for mill decks, so I’d love to see another version here!

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  18. David Burke
    Jun 22 2012

    As much as I would really love to see Goblin Artisans tackle Mill, as it’s one of my favourite strategies and I think it’s a great pity that it still hasn’t really found its place, I went with Brain Eaters.

    I’m a big tribal fan and I think that’s something that also draws in a lot of new players. Brain Eaters is flavourful and sounds like it could work really well mechanically, a great example of top down design.

    Y’know…I think I’m going to hit gatherer tonight and see if I can make my own Brain Eaters in Modern!

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  19. Spheniscine
    Jun 22 2012

    Yeah I have to go with the pirate theme, since that is one of the major flavor themes of the set.

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  20. servent of yawgmoth
    Jun 22 2012

    pirates definately

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  21. Jun 22 2012

    I’m tossing in my hat with Pirates! Mill is an uninteractive strategy that is not very competitive anyway, and I personally find it boring – hardly something I’d want to start a brand-new player on. The advantage of Pirates!, in addition to being a cool and flavorful concept, is that it’s a primarily creature-based theme. This fits the expected play pattern of most games while still letting us introduce blue and black control elements.

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  22. CFabian
    Jun 22 2012

    I voted for Pirates as well. I’ve always found Mill decks to be an interesting but lackluster concept and probably not the best way to introduce a new player to the game. The Pirate theme sounds a bit more straightforward and fun in comparison.

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  23. Hirshey
    Jun 22 2012

    I voted for Pirates! I love tribal decks and I feel like the other options weren’t as exciting. Forget and bond seem interesting, but I don’t like milling decks and I am not really a multicolor player (I usually only do 2 colors and splash one more at most). Dark skies doesn’t sound interesting – it is just a bunch of flying creatures. And I have a zombie deck, so I would not be interested in that theme.
    Pirates has it all – a fun theme and something new. And now we can have Pirates vs Ninja mtg matchups 🙂

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  24. Icehawk
    Jun 22 2012

    Pirates for one reason and one reason only. So we can put the Ninja deck up against it. 😛

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  25. DomaDragoon
    Jun 22 2012

    I think Bond with the Land would do better in a three or more color deck simply due to more variations on land types, and Dark Skies seems like just a variant on the standard UW Skies that we seem to get so often. So with those down, the other three were harder to narrow down. Based on the description Brain Eaters would be centered around the keynote card, and while hand disruption isn’t a bad thing to center an intro pack around, it doesn’t seem as interesting as the other two. And while Pirates: The Deck is a great idea (naturally pirates would be the colours of the ocean and greed), I couldn’t pass up my favorite archetype in all Magic. So my vote went to Forget Everything.

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  26. Hirshey
    Jun 22 2012

    by the way… I forgot to log in when I made that previous post. Does it matter when it comes to the contest?

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    • Jun 22 2012

      No worries, mate, it still shows as you!

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      • Hirshey
        Jun 23 2012

        yes, but the name I posted with is different from my wordpress! Will I get an email or something if I get chosen? (as in are you able to see my email?)

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        • Jun 23 2012

          Yes, I can see email when folks post comments, so you needn’t worry!

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  27. Nick
    Jun 22 2012

    And the one with the exclamation carries my vote. There aren’t many blue human decks, but there are even less nonhuman pirates. Either would be very interesting in this deck. 🙂

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  28. Grue
    Jun 23 2012

    Pirates would be something new and interesting to flesh out.

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  29. lightside
    Jun 23 2012

    I really wish you gave us the option to pick 2 themes at once. Many of precons and intro decks skirt around between 2 themes from a set/block that fit into the deck’s color(s).

    My choice would have been Pirates & Land Bonding. (yo ho ho, it be a pirate’s life for me, bonding with the sea) However, given only one vote, I picked Bond with the Land, with the hopes that’ll we’d see pirates in there as a matter of coincidence.

    Fliers are overdone in multiple colors and milling is still milling, even if it has a different name. (and don’t get me started about how sick I am of zombies in everything pop culture recently). Bonding with lands sounds like a neat design space to explore!

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  30. Jun 23 2012

    You all make me sick. I don’t want magic to become synonymous with disney. And the first thing I would think if i saw a pirates theme is “Hey, when did the magic creators lose their minds? And when is Captain Jack Sparrow going to show his face?”

    Pirates would provide a false pretense to new players as well. Are we gonna see a hipster subtype? And when did magic become a joke?

    I think that mill is the way to go. I mean, jedi-mindtricking someone into forgetting everything is always entertaining, and mill is a fun archetype to play. Counting down the cards in someone’s library adds excitement to the game, it all comes down to the luck of the draw, a feeling creature based decks can’t replicate.

    Most importantly, there are cards in other sets to support mill. Those starting with pirates would be in for a nasty suprise if they actually tried to improve the deck, which is the point of intro packs in the first place! This disconnect between the rest of magic and the pirates intro pack would leave new players in the dust, and possibly give the players the misconception that they might be playing a new game entirely, one, in my opinion, not as cool as magic.

    Overall, pirates aren’t the most well thought out idea, and I beg voters to choose something else.

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    • Hirshey
      Jun 23 2012

      I think intro decks are exactly what they say they are – they introduce a new theme or tribes to the mix. If they just repeated the same mechanics, they wouldn’t be as interesting. And I feel that each new theme would have a bunch of cards to back them up… Look at decks that have come out recently: Myrs, golems, infect, and soulbond. Each new theme has plenty of options from the past sets to support them. I feel as if it would be the same thing as with pirates and most of the other types listed here.
      Also, I don’t think Pirates is a joke. There are plenty of tribals out there: zombies, samurai, ninja, golems, elves, etc. I feel like adding another tribal is neither a joke, nor is it a move in the wrong direction.
      On the other hand, I feel as if ‘forget’ is just another way to say mill and doesn’t really add anything to the game. It just updates the terminology for a certain mechanic. Just as ‘Remove from the game’ was replaced by ‘Exile’ in the more recent sets. Rather than build on something that is already rooted in Magic already, why not add something new and interesting? Think of a pirate deck along with soulbond or mixed with the new ‘land bond’ mechanic – you could get pirates that are bound to the sea! Either way, I think adding new tribals along with new mechanics is going to work well. (I keep thinking of a land bond and landfall deck… no matter how you look at it you get bonuses for playing lands!!)

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      • Jun 23 2012

        Not all intro packs showcase a new mechanic or tribal. In fact, in every set, there is at least one intro pack that showcases an older mechanic or deck build. So why not mill?
        Also, while we’re at it, Pirates misrepresent Magic. Samurai, elves, and golems are taken seriously, the way that Magic is meant to be taken. But Pirates? Whenever Pirates are mentioned, someone automatically strikes up a conversation about the newest Pirates off the Caribbean movie by Disney. Pirates aren’t taken seriously. In the public eye, pirates are lovable scallawags; drunkards who couldn’t hurt a fly and might break out into song at any moment. They are very goofy, and worse, connected to Disney.
        Now take a game which is supposed to be about to ultra-powerful wizards who travel through dimensions. They are in a struggle for their lives, summoning the most powerful spells in their arsenal to kill the other. Now imagine, in this environment, one wizard summons a pirate. The pirate sways around drunkenly, and the other wizard laughs as he summons a giant beastie, who stomps the pirate AND the other wizard. Pirates just don’t fit. They are a conceptual error. When someone sees an Intro Pack supposedly representing magic with pirates on it, they will not get a feel that this represents a deathmatch between wizards, or even a good game. They will get the urge to laugh.
        Magic is a game about a deadly battle, and pirates just don’t show people that.

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        • Hirshey
          Jun 23 2012

          I believe that you are referring to the pop culture pirate. If you look at pirates historically, they are a fearsome group. And I feel like they fit in because they ARE desperate, greedy, and struggling for their lives. There are many historically respected pirates (Blackbeard, Captain Kidd, to name a few)! And I understand that there are plenty of intro decks that make no additions, and I even said that! But I think that the major point of an intro deck is to introduce new players to a new game. At the same time, it is also responsible for introducing current players of the game to new cards and themes to the game. I don’t think that introducing Pirates as a new tribal is a bad thing.
          To be honest, I think it depends on your take on things. When somebody says pirates, my mind jumps to Blackbeard. If your mind jumps to Jack Sparrow or Disney pirates, there’s not much I can do to change that. I feel like everything is connected to Disney or pop culture in some way: Little Mermaid = Merfolk, Ninja = Kung Fu Panda, Samurai = Mulan, Dragons=How to Train Your Dragon, Golems = Iron Giant, etc etc. To each his own, I guess.

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          • Laurent
            Jun 24 2012

            The same goes for me. If we leave apart the Jack Sparrow archetype (and you’ll forgive me if I prefer Eroll Flynn or Pirates Of The Blood River to that sfx-infused garbage from Disney, imo), there have been pirates referenced in cards in M:tG since Alpha (trust me : I was there when Revised hit the stores) : hey, Pirate Ship anyone? There was even a time in the prehistoric days of the game where there was serious thinking about players creating a pirate deck : hence Ramirez Di Pietro, Ghost Ship, Reef Pirates and so on.

            As Hirshey said, the point of an intro pack is to introduce new players to a game. If, due to the mainstream success of pirates stories through Disney, pirates are the new trend, why not think that it could be a good appealing theme for a new audience? Should they have dropped the whole Kamigawa thing just for ‘Kung-Fu Panda’? Or the werewolves because of ‘Beauty And The Beast’? Etc, etc…If you really want a recent take on what pirates were, just read Tim Powers’ ‘On Stranger Tides’ (yeah, I know : it was castrated a lot to make the last PotC movie…still an awesome book).

            When I think pirates in a non-historical context, I always think about Long John Silver and ‘Treasure Island’ : cunning, cruel, devious, greedy and brutal people, pillaging villages, looting ancient moss-covered tombs in the jungle…Yes, that is something akin to what have been done in the Zendikar block (through the quests) and even so far as the Mirage block (Nocturnal Raid?), but since mostly any race/class has been done into tribal, why not Pirates? it could do a fine addition to the Rogue Gallery, so to speak…

            Because you think that Pirates are just like Disney shows them doesn’t mean AT ALL that they were like that. In fact, they pretty much WEREN’T like that (well, not all the time). Therefore, I think that an ultra-powerful wizard summoning a bloodthirsty crew of living or (un)dead pirates isn’t something that is wrong. If you want to talk to the inner Vorthos in most of us all, then pirate necromancers killed Tobias Andrion, Ramirez Di Pietro has been featured in M:tG novels, etc…

            Yes, there has been an April’s Fool deck of Pirates versus Ninjas…so why Ninjas would be then more serious than Pirates? Sailing the seas of stars beyond the universes to pillage various planes…Hey, it has even been featured in a recent Doctor Who episode…Ain’t that what Magic was supposed to be in the first place : a fun AND serious game with the various heroic-fantasy archetypes? Then Pirates are perfectly in place here 😉

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            • Jun 24 2012

              Why did you guys choose Black-Blue?

              I chose it because it had the possibility of being unique; not just teaching the new player how to play and construct a deck, but also showing the depth of magic and the strategies that could be used. If I was concerned about the player learning how to play, I would have chosen Red-Green. I’m more concerned of the experience they might have during their first game, because they will most likely never play again if they don’t enjoy their first experience.

              Now you probably know what’s coming next, but what’s unique about pirates? To me, they are like Red-Green, except they have an eyepatch. They are not unique at all. The concept is generally the same: bash in with creatures, maybe with some tricks to let them through. Mill, however, gives a different experience. It goes beyond the normal, and shows the player the many different ways the game can be played.

              Also, no matter what you guys might think, the majority do not think of pirates as dangerous. Not all the fault lies with Disney. The pirates’ habits made them seem more goofy. Most real-life pirates got drunk all the time because there was no clean water, only grog. Now I don’t know about you, but I have no respect for someone who is drunk all the time, and neither does the rest of America. Add Disney antics to the equation and they seem even goofier. This is why pirates are not taken seriously, while ninjas and samurai are, even though they’ve had Disney movies made about them. In history, they had something to be respected for.

              I’m afraid the average Americans’ disrespect for pirates will translate to the game of magic when they buy the intro pack. If so, even if they like the game they might get the wrong idea about the concept behind it, and take the game wrong way. With mill- well, making someone forget everything is definitely NOT goofy, and it is a relevant and fun gameplay style, as I said earlier. It makes sense, although it wouldn’t to a pirate.

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              • servent of yawgmoth
                Jun 24 2012

                but mill can be rather difficult for newer players as well as boring to begin with, pirates meanwhile would be more fun and gives a better mental image as well, imagine a plansewalker duel between 2 pirate ships firing their cannons and trying to board it seems more interesting than milling a handful of cards a turn

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                • Jun 24 2012

                  In mental images, mill is unmatched. You are making someone forget all their experiences, removing everything from their minds until they have nothing left. This could make newer players feel in the place of an evil mastermind, sort of like Archenemy. It gives a diabolical feel to the game, and what’s more fun than being evil? In fact, it’s like being Nicol Bolas! You can go to the movies to see pirate ships firing at each other. It’s commonplace. But intruding into someones mind and removing their memories is spectacular.

                  Also mill is actually less difficult to learn than regular magic. You do what the card says. Big whoop. It’s more exciting as well, relying on the draw more than other decks, other than miracle.

                  Plus, the flavor text on mill cards is awesome.

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  31. Hirshey
    Jun 23 2012

    (looking at my original post, I guess I didn’t mention that intro decks can reiterate older mechanics, but I don’t disagree with your point there)

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  32. Jun 24 2012

    How is this even a choice? Of course pirates. Not close.

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  33. Laurent
    Jun 24 2012

    As an addition to my previous post : having Pirates as the main theme doesn’t mean there won’t be a sub-theme taken from the same poll. For example, Homelands’ Reef Pirates are both pirates (well…Zombie Rogue, using the Creature update) and a mill card.

    AND

    We already had in the history of the game a blue planewalker that was, for all instance, an interplanar pirate and smuggler
    http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Bo_Levar

    Therefore, if even pirates can become planewalkers, why wouldn’t pirates tribal be a good theme? 😉

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  34. Excel
    Jun 24 2012

    Technically speaking, I think Pirates would be a more Black/Red sort of folk… But heck, black and blue are my favorite colors and it just so happens that I was hoping for more pirates in Magic.

    No question, Pirates I choose you!

    (I’d be also interested in a mill deck further down the line though!)

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  35. Brain Eating Zombies was my favorite, but I see the Pirates have it by a pegleg or two.

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  36. Yawgmoth
    Jun 25 2012

    Happy to see that Pirates won out. That was my first choice. I’m all for subthemes getting a chance to shine, and Pirates could do for M13 what Universal monster tropes did for Innistrad block; that is make the game more accessible for the masses, and increasing Magic’s creative real-estate beyond Tolkien and Lovecraft character classes.

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  37. web8970
    Jun 26 2012

    Hmmm, I guess I’m too late for this poll. 😦
    However, I would have picked the milling theme … just because having an alternate way of winning the game is fun.

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  38. Jun 27 2012

    I’d love to see Bond in action.

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